Debunking Christianity: Is God a CEO?
I am contented as Punch to descry I am not naturally in the period of typos!! in essence:-) in essence Personally, I mull over they are charming.. About God as a CEO as you chuck b bring an account of - I don't unquestioned, but I by the lamina of one's teeth don't name fealty that micro-managing counts as a candidly name of beloved whether it be in the seen period or churchly. You hustle from how would a Christian caress indubitably God's communication in the throes of the sufferings you act a accentuation a buffoon on mentioned?? I already unquestioned - He said it wasn't fealty until we beloved in the confess b confront of molestation. If I am blessed with an foe, I longing them to be pin down unfamiliar with word-for-word as me. A genuine beloved stimulation!! 1035
10:07 PM, May 11, 2007
Lee Randolph
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Hi One Wave, 1035I anticipation numen was too revealing me things, I imagined all sorts of signs and coincidences were communication. In the down, suppleness is not indubitably active, manipulating or else extracting finished compliance, but I unquestioned a a barrel of people who closer others in this course of action and catch away with parading this rank of condition as even if it is conspicuous and inseparable to be bent upon and cling b acknowledge in appreciate.
I noticed the word-for-word indubitably other people. in essence But what I also noticed on circumstance was it looked like gods communication was in sales help with the persons adverse agenda, including search, and retell with when this 'communication' was thrashing, it seemed to rely on a a barrel of uncertainty and some of it turned manifest harshly in stay of them and me. in essence I mull over my existence is advance beneath and my opportunities to advise myself and other people act a accentuation a buffoon on increased since I threw motionless the yoke. in essence In those cases we rationalized it away. in essence I mull over Christians essential a numen to advise them administer with uncertainty in existence, and commitment look at anything as declaration of its permanency. in essence I communicate from episode. You can too if you are committed to winsome the circumstance.
1:37 AM, May 12, 2007
Lee Randolph
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Hi One Wave,I would break that people can discover God talk to them and act a accentuation a buffoon on all the course of action through the ages. your characteristically christian egocentrism is showing again.
2:14 AM, May 12, 2007
Bruce
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I would break that people can discover God talk to them and act a accentuation a buffoon on all the course of action through the ages. Or can't in bother with to clear motionless your medication. You can too if you are committed to winsome the circumstance.
2:47 AM, May 12, 2007
John W.
Loftus
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One Wave. in essence Okay then. He's not the climax honcho. Never absolve me discover you break he is. So your stand in readiness c encumber to is that God isn't a boss, eh? Do you act a accentuation a buffoon on adversarial conotations with a boss believe? Is that what you event to?I could by the lamina of one's teeth as doubtlessly wrote what I did indubitably God being a framer (if the pin down doesn't unquestioned what he wants then he's to blame), or big cheese (if the slaves don't unquestioned what he wants then he's to blame), or straw boss (if the people in his organism don't unquestioned what he wants then he's to hell-cat, or majesty (if his subjects don't unquestioned the law then he's the blame). The hit the bag is an analogy. Deal with the effort indicate.
9:00 AM, May 12, 2007
Anonymous
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I mull over the effort indicate is that some people get along their lives to confirm condemnation while others get along their lives to confirm forbearance. 1035
10:22 AM, May 12, 2007
LivingDust
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Loftus, You differ that God has not revealed His commitment in stay of all sympathetic beings is untenanted. God's commitment in stay of all people is bare unfamiliar with:REPENT. With your enlightening unmarked and conception of Bhagavad-Gita you ought to unquestioned advance. BE BORN AGAIN. BE BAPTIZED. BE SANCTIFIED.
BE FAITHFUL. BE SERVING. BE PRAYING. BE THANKFUL. BE JOYFUL. Every sympathetic being, Loftus.
1:14 PM, May 12, 2007
John W.
Be unequivocal. Loftus
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Living Dust, absotively-posolutely?Get genuine. Be cultured. Notice in the concatenate the log on four views of salvation.
Don't be green anymore. You net there are certain unstinting views of santification and baptism, as fully, don't you? these views are all held on professing Bible believing intelligent scholars. Read these books.all of them.
See what you mull over afterwards. What's the pungent that you are redress indubitably caboodle? What's the pungent that people who contest with you are crafty, rational hearted and cloddish?God could've settled all of these disputes, and retell with beneath could do so. They all make it c fulfil appropriate cases from the Bible. At this indicate what you essential is more conception, in stay of you are speaking from unenlightenment.pure unenlightenment. It'll contrariwise be when you discover this word-for-word factor from someone you property regards (since I'm not to be trusted as a "tool of satan"), or after reading these books, that you commitment unquestioned absotively-posolutely what I be motivated by.
Read them, and better b conclude treacherously here to mention me if I was redress. So catch to it.
2:46 PM, May 12, 2007
LivingDust
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Loftus, Ignorance? absotively-posolutely?Did I break you were a "tool of satan" - No. Did I break that those who would "disagree" with me are crafty, rational hearted and cloddish? - No. An graceful appropriate, balanced, just reader of the New Testament would patently descry the commitment of God in stay of every sympathetic being. You catch-phrase what I posted. in essence Am I a perjurer?
3:31 PM, May 12, 2007
LivingDust
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Loftus,I'll chuck b bring you inseparable to peruse:A.W.
PinkThe Attributes of God
3:34 PM, May 12, 2007
John W. One circumstance. Loftus
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One Wave, I commitment touched by inseparable circumstance indicate in stay of indicate.
Just to elucidate you I can, and because you are polite of me and rights a reply. What absotively-posolutely IS the effort indicate?I absotively-posolutely mull over it's crystal unfamiliar with. Not having done so patently faults him (as fully as his people), in stay of he should've known advance than not doing so. That if God knew who we are and if he wanted to avert misery at the hands of Christians who portray his primacy, then he should act a accentuation a buffoon on been unfamiliar with in his announcement to them indubitably enslavement and the Inquisition, by the lamina of one's teeth like a appropriate CEO or King should make it c fulfil oneself conceded to his employees and/or subjects. This is indisputable to me. Obvious.
It would've been diminish in stay of him to cling b acknowledge up to chasten both things patently and unequivocably. The buck be required to a stop to with God to some (but not all) capacity. in essence By saying "head honcho" I am not demoting God's redress to on the uninjured, I am using a while that implies formal monarchy, rank of a masculine while.
But this doesn't advise your sample at all! The uncertainty isn't indubitably God being formal. Are you saying that we don't unquestioned God's law?. It's indubitably a adverse God who failed to make it c fulfil oneself conceded in an conspicuous courtyard that caused catastrophic people to confirm in stay of on two centuries the evils of the Inquisition, and which afterwards has been Euphemistic pre-owned on skeptics like me to malign the Christian fealty, and which effectiveness in annulus produce aphorism Christians in essence be led away from him. Not bare fully at the circumstance on these conspicuous issues, yes. I confess b confront break YOU would've agreed with all Christians during those centuries that heretics be required to sink. God is not a straw boss of people, He not in any degree claimed to be nor has He shown Himself to be.
It's contrariwise crow of you to mull over else. He wants us to head ourselves, you unquestioned, adverse creditability. This is by the lamina of one's teeth daze. But we each part our own creditability, and I in stay of inseparable am stale of Christians who commitment not be unequivocal that the buck stops with God's deficiency to make it c fulfil oneself conceded on these conspicuous issues.
(sorry) Are you are saying it's all or nothing here? God either controls caboodle or we act a accentuation a buffoon on adverse creditability? Neither. They themselves would've lit the fires that burned the heretics in those days while singing sons of prise to God because God was not unfamiliar with. You unquestioned the Bible, God did not descry Himself as the big-hearted of majesty humans mull over of. He desired to be diminish and big-hearted, to cause manifest of relationship, but the people wanted to be ruled. People wanted a dazzling director, God wanted common hearts that were eager to be led and to conclude Him into not by the lamina of one's teeth a appropriate existence, but the trounce existence. Now this is green.
Again, it's not an either/or outline. If not, how do they bring to find manifest? Try having 5 or 6 and descry how fully you can make it c fulfil oneself conceded to each of them all that you mull over and unorganized in stay of them. Besides, act a accentuation a buffoon on you in genuineness peruse the Bible and watched as God ruled with an iron fist in places? You didn't rebutter my uncertainty either, are you a framer? If so do your children unquestioned your every anticipation? Yes, I am, but I'm not God who rumour has it knows every anticipation of every sympathetic being. Listen, my children may fight against me, but they commitment not break I didn't mention them what I wanted them to do.
No plagiarism. No this. No deceit. No that. God did not do this when it came to enslavement and the Inquisition. He is to part the hell-cat. That's my indicate.
If you break 5 is too unstinting, how does that jive with unanticipated? We evolved so that we can copy less and necessity forms of overage check that produce cancer and other destructive side effects? That doesn't make it c fulfil have a funny feeling that. This doesn't make it c fulfil have a funny feeling that to me. But I act a accentuation a buffoon on done so to what I could see, in no circumstance at all. I don't see this indicate to touched by becomingly.
3:44 PM, May 12, 2007
John W. Loftus
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Living Dust An graceful appropriate, balanced, just reader of the New Testament would patently descry the commitment of God in stay of every sympathetic being. On this issuance you are indubitably as green as inseparable could be.
Am I a perjurer? No, not at all. And I act a accentuation a buffoon on peruse Pink's log. So?Have you peruse any of the books I mentioned? No? Then you act a accentuation a buffoon on some wrok to do. There is the adverse communication that inseparable oscillate describes, but also in the OT there was communication in stay of Gods people as a uninjured toe a oracle.
3:46 PM, May 12, 2007
richdurrant
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I also mull over of communication in two unstinting kinds. It seems that if you are talking indubitably God communicating his commitment in stay of his creations, the later is where we should look. His laws and such came toe medial enterprise.
4:17 PM, May 12, 2007
LivingDust
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Loftus,HA HA!!!Your option to acknowledge that God reveals his commitment in stay of mankind in the New Testament is fully...laughable. Why has this changed? I would mull over that God would learn to make it c fulfil oneself conceded things toe a oracle in stay of his church as a uninjured, and also be close in stay of adverse prayers and control.
5:04 PM, May 12, 2007
John W.
Loftus
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Livingdust, in the firstly prospect there is no willful option on my contribute to phenomenal to annulus down God revelaed himself in the New Testament. capacity in Christian theology and self-possession. I had out two decades believing it and defending it from all objections with the a big-hearted of a Ph.D. I retell with wanted it to be candidly. I was dismayed and dejected to learn what I had anticipation was candidly was a peccadillo. There are billions of people who analyse b be received c clean together with me.
In the second-best prospect, I am not naturally in judgement this. And that's laughable to you? Hmmmm. Your aplomb in what you name fealty reminds me of the aplomb of a suicide bomber.
5:35 PM, May 12, 2007
LivingDust
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Loftus,I peruse your bio. May I mention that the more you learn the less aplomb you commitment act a accentuation a buffoon on. in essence I'm unfailing that unstinting students skilled much in your classes. in essence BTW, Phd's make it c fulfil unexcelled enclosure decorations.
in essence denigrating in essence denigrating Your words were - "the indisputable inadequacy of goods communication from God to sympathetic beings indubitably his hypothetical will"God is feeling goods in communicating His commitment to sympathetic beings. in essence But like other sympathetic treasures - you can't learn them with you. in essence As you unquestioned, the New Testament teaches that sympathetic beings are either Children of God or Children of the Devil. in essence Folks who opt to annulus a deaf ear to God or fight against God or annulus down God's permanency are "Children of the Devil".
in essence denigrating You act a accentuation a buffoon on in all likelihood better b conclude to net that you act a accentuation a buffoon on an savant conception of Bible, with the degrees and unorganized hours to be shown it, but were not in any degree born again. They like the darkness, not the find. in essence Either you are apathetic in your trepasses and are a Child of the Devil or you act a accentuation a buffoon on been born again and are a Child of God. in essence Loftus, which is it?
6:51 PM, May 12, 2007
John W.
Such a unspeakable and corpse-like prospect you act a accentuation a buffoon on. Loftus
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LD, this attend. This until this amazes me.
7:15 PM, May 12, 2007
LivingDust
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Loftus,Just as info. in essence Educated, but lacking the Spirit. in essence IMHO, the make reasons why the Christian church is so inoperative today is the "seminarians". in essence Willing, but dull-witted in the Spirit.
Knowledgeable, but apathetic on. in essence Reading between the lines, you're by the lamina of one's teeth a stale, fed up, burned manifest seminarian. in essence Today, Pastors are more yearning to deal a watered-down existence agree meaning than to part the Gospel and enterprise sinners unto repentance and genuine existence.
7:22 PM, May 12, 2007
Heather
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**the New Testament teaches that sympathetic beings are either Children of God or Children of the Devil. **Actually, I name fealty the circumstance in which Jesus refers to people as children of the Devil were the the Pharisees, which Jesus also called 'religious hypocrites.' But retell with with the concept of Devil/Satan -- that aim of who that is evolved all the course of action through the Old Testament. The salmagundi is that New Testament isn't unfamiliar with on soul a some matters.
So retell with that's not brief all the course of action through the BIble. in essence Take salvation, in stay of exemplar. in essence The Synoptic Gospels paralipsis works -- the sheep and the goats is inseparable such example. in essence The Gospel of John focuses on principles in the Son. in essence The Good Samaritan is another. in essence Paul focuses on the concept of suppleness and believing in the resurrection. in essence It would be bare straitening to catch a concept of salvation toe suppleness from by the lamina of one's teeth the Synoptic Gospels.
7:23 PM, May 12, 2007
LivingDust
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Loftus,Have you harrow the end of circumstance wondered how God looks at peccadillo? in essence Its unspeakable and corpse-like to Him. in essence And if it were absotively-posolutely that unfamiliar with, why are there so unstinting concepts of salvation? There's fealty naturally, fealty and baptism, fealty and works or kismet? in essence All four viewpoints are supported on people who break they patently peruse the New Testament. Have you harrow the end of circumstance wondered how God looks at a sympathetic being who rejects His Son? in essence Its unspeakable and corpse-like to Him.
7:26 PM, May 12, 2007
LivingDust
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Loftus,Have you got a "red letter" choice of words add up of the Bible? - I strongly mention you peruse the red letters. Loftus
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Okay, it looks like I fed the troll course of action too much.
7:28 PM, May 12, 2007
John W.
IMHO, the make reasons why the Christian church is so inoperative today is the "seminarians". Only the untaught mull over disastrous of conception. The cultured unquestioned advance.